Israel, there is still hope

Written by Christianity and the Confusion on August 19th, 2006

Author: Marty Martorella 

   I wanted to add my two cents to the whole Israel/Lebanon situation. In my life I have had the pleasure of knowing people from all over the world. In college I was able to make friends Lebanese; Egyptians and Saudi Arabians. I could never understand why there is a hatred of Israel in the Middle East. On one occasion at the health club when I was talking to an Israeli friend another friend who happened to be Iranian joined in the conversation. The only problem was that the Iranian did not know the Israeli or that he was from Israel. OOPS the Iranian made the mistake to say that Israel wanted to rule the world. Here were two good friends, good guys who could have been friends under other conditions, but not now. I found myself in the middle of my own Middle East conflict. I just do not see why there is so much hatred of the Jews.

   There seems to be some confusion about many things to do with Israel and why Christians support it. The world is saying that Israel has lost the conflict, but that presumption is based on the assumption that Israel did not want to bring the UN into southern Lebanon. In fact that might have been their goal all along to have the UN to get a control on the Hezbollah problem. Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker said:

Hezbollah is armed to the teeth and trained in the most advanced technology of guerrilla warfare. It was just a matter of time. We had to address it.

Hezbollah is seen by Israelis as a profound threat—a terrorist organization, operating on their border, with a military arsenal that, with help from Iran and Syria, has grown stronger since the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon ended, in 2000. Hezbollah’s leader, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, has said he does not believe that Israel is a “legal state.”

   Ever since the Israel became a nation again those around her have sought to obliterate her. For the life of me I cannot see why there is such an attitude. Joseph Farah, an Arab-American journalist said;

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1 percent of the landmass. 

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. 

Joseph Farah is the editor and chief executive officer of WorldNetDaily.com

   Do all Arab people hate the Jews or is it a case of the ruling elite? One of the myths used to inflame people is that the Israelis confiscated the Arab land but actually the Jews bought land from Ottoman and individual Arab landholders. The following is a brief history of how the State of Israel came to be.

Following the Ottoman conquest in 1517, the Land was divided into four districts, attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. At the outset of the Ottoman era, some 1,000 Jewish families lived in the country, mainly in Jerusalem, Nablus (Shehem), Hebron, Gaza, Safed (Tzfat) and the villages of Galilee. The community was comprised of descendants of Jews who had always lived in the Land, as well as immigrants from North Africa and Europe. …

Consequently, the situation of the country's Jews slowly improved, and their numbers increased substantially. By mid-century, overcrowded conditions within the walled city of Jerusalem motivated the Jews to build the first neighborhood outside the walls (1860) and, in the next quarter century, to add seven more, forming the nucleus of the New City. By 1870, Jerusalem had an overall Jewish majority. Land for farming was purchased throughout the country; new rural settlements were established; and the Hebrew language, long restricted to liturgy and literature, was revived. The stage was set for the founding of the Zionist movement.  (History of Israel)

Following World War II, the British announced their intention to withdraw from the British mandate of Palestine. The United Nations General Assembly proposed the partition of Palestine into two states, an Arab state and a Jewish state, with Jerusalem to be under United Nations administration. Most Jews in Palestine accepted the proposal, while most of the Arabs in Palestine rejected it.

Violence between Arab and Jewish communities erupted almost immediately. Toward the end of the British mandate, the Jews planned to declare a separate state, a development the Arabs were determined to prevent. On May 14, 1948, the last British forces withdrew from Palestine, and the Jews, led by David Ben-Gurion, declared the creation of the State of Israel, in accordance with the 1947 UN Partition Plan.

Immediately following the Declaration of Independence of the State of Israel, Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian, and Lebanese forces invaded the newly formed state on all fronts. In a desperate and costly war characterized by use of makeshift armaments and resourceful tactics, Israel eventually repelled the attacking armies, and then advanced its forces to occupy some of the territory set aside under the Partition Plan for the Arabs and for the City of Jerusalem. A cease fire agreement was signed between the two sides, with the current front line becoming the boundary between Israel and the Arab territories. As a result of the 1948 war, Israel controlled all the territory allotted to them under the Partition Plan, much of the territory allotted to the Arabs under the Plan, and half of what was to be the UN-administered City of Jerusalem. The remaining Arab territories were the West Bank and the Gaza Strip; the West Bank was administered by Jordan, while the Gaza Strip was administered by Egypt.

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia – History of Israel

   What I have learned from this research is that 1) there has always been a Jewish presence in Palestine. 2) That the Jews bought the land from the Arab people. 3) Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, Jordanian, and Lebanese forces invaded the new State of Israel with aim of pushing them into the sea. From that and other wars started by these same people Israel has gained more land. Why are these people so quick to start a fight and then demand their land back? Does anyone think that had Israel lost that these nations would have given her land back? It would seem to me that before there is any land concessions by the Israelis that all other nations recognize Israel’s right to exist. Whether it is Hezbollah or Al-Qaida using terrorism to wage war on the people of Israel the only just and American thing to do is to stand with Israel.  If there is to be peace it will take all sides to agree to let the others live in it. 

   What should be obviously is the need for diplomacy. Years of blood shed has produced nothing but sorrow. What we need is a delegation made up of American leaders like George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Colin Powell and Dick Cheney. Yes, I said Dick Cheney. When dealing with ruthless men you need someone like them to get them to negotiate. If all parties were brought to the negotiating table peace might be able to be worked out. Keep in mind that the big fear of these people is that the United States is about to declare World War Three in the Middle East. They maybe more ready to talk than we realize.

   This could be the one thing to save Mr. Bush’s legacy. He could be seen as the one who brought stability and peace to the region. As it looks now the opposite will be his legacy and that is sad for everyone.

   A misconception by many is that we Christians only support Israel because we think we have to for the second coming to occur. That might be true of a small number of people, but for the most of us it is because we believe that God gave them that land. Keep in mind that Israel is the only democratic nation in the Middle East. This is based on Deuteronomy 11:22-11:25.

If, then, you faithfully keep all this Instruction that I command you, loving the Lord your God, walking in all His ways, and holding fast to Him, the Lord will dislodge before you all these nations: you will dispossess nations greater and more numerous than you. Every spot on which your foot treads shall be yours; your territory shall extend from the wilderness to the Lebanon and from the River–the Euphrates–to the Western Sea. No man shall stand up to you: the Lord your God will put the dread and the fear of you over the whole land in which you set foot, as He promised you.

From Parshat Ekev. From THE TANAKH: The New JPS Translation According to the Traditional Hebrew Text. Copyright 1985 by the Jewish Publication Society. Used by permission.

   No matter what your opinion is on this subject, please pray for peace.

 

20 Comments so far ↓

  1. Anonymous says:

    Marty, that was a lot of information, some I didn't know before. I appreciate you doing all this work, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. Are you saying that Israel was justified in killing all those innocent Lebanese?

  2. Anonymous says:

        My first reaction was that Israel was going too far, but looking at more of the facts I believe that they were left with little choice. Hezbollah is armed to the teeth and trained in the most advanced technology of guerrilla warfare. Their goal was to put an end to the existence of the State of Israel. With their attack upon Israeli citizens they had to be stopped. The number of Lebanese citizens would not have been so high if Hezbollah had not been using high-dense residential areas as launching pads for rockets. It is all sad, but until groups like Hezbollah and all nations accept Israel’s right to exist this type of thing will continue. I just do not understand how anyone can hold such hatred for the Jewish people.

    Graphic images smuggled out from Lebanon show how Hezbollah is waging war amid suburban homes.
    A stream of images, obtained exclusively by the News Ltd, depicts how the extremists are using high-density residential areas as launch pads for rockets and heavy calibre weapons.
    Dressed in civilian clothing so they can quickly melt back into suburbia, the fighters carrying automatic assault rifles ride in on trucks laden with cannons. http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0,22606,19960056-5006301,00.html

  3. Anonymous says:

    I still don't see why Israel had to attack Lebanon. Where had to have been a better way.

  4. Anonymous says:

    What were they suppose to do, make friends with the terrorists?

     

    Go Bush

  5. Anonymous says:

    Oh Marty, you were doing so well until you had to say “What should be obviously is the need for diplomacy.” The terrorists only see that as weakness and will use it to buildup for another attack. Anyway, thanks for all the info, you pointed out some good facts that I'll be sure to pass on. And I'm glad to see some respect for the Vice President.

     

    Go Bush

  6. Anonymous says:

    Hi Marty;
    I could not agree with you on the point of DIPLOMACY only that In order to have Diplomacy work??? The ONES That HATE FOR CENTURIES??? and EONS??? ever since time began??? FOR THEIR BROTHER ISRAEL the JEWISH PEOPLE. that we must also MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND THAT BOTH THEY and THE JEW have the SAME GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The HATERS TERRORISTS JUST do not see it this way at all period. They never have and never will UNLESS someone can PROVE TO Them that GOD IS GOD!!!!!!! OF ALL AND IN ALL!!!! and that is v even a hard thing for WE WHOM KNOW THIS REALITY AND TRUTH to prove to anyone in our own LAND OF ONE NATION UNDER GOD with LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all HOME of the BRAVE and LAND OF THE FREE!!!!! let alone PROVE IT TO The PEOPLE OF THE MIDDLE EAST THAT is where IT ALL BEGAN in the first place. IF THEY THEN DID NOT AGREE IN the BEGINNING what MAKES YOU THINK They will agree NOW??? SINCE IT IS A FAMILY RIVALRY ARGUMENT between TWO BROTHERS ever since GOD CREATED THAT FIRST MAN and GAVE HIM INSTRUCTION ON what TO DO and what NOT TO DO???????
    WAS LOVE OF THE CREATOR GOD ALMIGHTY enough?????? FOR THAT FIRST MAN AND WOMAN NOT TO SIN and BRING ABOUT DEATH THAT GOD HAD ALREADY SAID they would have to SUFFER??? BECAUSE of THEIR DISOBEDIENCE to THEIR CREATOR GOD ALMIGHTY???????
    I GUESS NOT….. FOR this day LOVE OF GOD , HIS WORD, and HIS TRUTH is still not enough for almost everybody. DON'T YOU SEE…
    HISTORY HAS A TENDANCY to repeat ITSELF.. when EVIL and HATRED and NO LOVE AND TRUTH CAN BE REALIZED and SEEN …
    THIS Is why ISRAEL being the JEWISH PEOPLE and we whom are NOT BLOOD BORN OF A JEWISH MOTHER UNDERSTAND BEING A CHRISTIAN WHAT IS HAPPENING AND GOING ON HERE AND NOW.
    THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL KNOW THEIR HERITAGE. and THANK GOD THERE ARE some JEWS THAT UNDERSTAND the RAMIFICATIONS OF THE DANGER THAT IS AMONG THEM……
    ALL THEY TRULY WANT IS TO HAVE WHAT HAS ALREADY been PROMISED TO THEM..
    AND YOU MUST THEN come to the CONCLUSION that it is AMERICA!!!!!!! the LAND OF FREEDOM. AND ISRAEL!!! THAT MUST MAKE PEACE> and HOW CAN ONE PEOPLE MADE UP OF ISRAEL AND AMERICA MAKE PEACE with PEOPLE THAT NEITHER want ANY PEACE BUT ALL THAT ISRAEL and AMERICA HAS AND STAND FOR?????? AND WHAT DO WE AS A PEOPLE STAND FOR?????????
    PEACE FOR ALL MANKIND NOT JUST some… BECAUSE APPARENTLY ISRAEL AND THE PEOPLE THAT DO UNDERSTAND THAT LIVE AND ARE AMERICANS KNOW what THE TRUTH OF GOD IS!!!!!!!!!!
    WE even have OUR OWN CITIZENS THAT DISAGREE ABOUT the JEW and THE AMERICAN WAYS OF GOVERNMENT AND LAWS and OUR VERY DOCUMENTS OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS!!!!!
    IT Is TO BAD THAT the TRUTH OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS FOR THIS LAND AND PEOPLE HAS NOT been TAUGHT TO THE YOUNGER GENERATIIONS. YET YOU SEE GOD HAS been TAKEN OUT OF OUR SCHOOL ROOMS.. MARTY GET A GOOD source of INFO ON OUR FOUNDING GOVERNMENT and SEE WHO WE AS CHRISTIAN AMERICAN ARE?????????????
    Below is just one good site to go to. I am trying to find a site of someone that has ACTUAL DOCUMENTS TO PROOVE OUR HERITAGE AS TO AMERICA being AGODFEARING GOD GIVEN GOD BELIEVING NATION OF PEOPLE THAT ALSO KNEW THAT GOD IS GOD AND ALSO TAUGHT THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AND GODS WORD AND MORALS IN OUR SCHOOLS.. I was taught these why were'nt YOU???? and why is it OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS THIS DAY HAVE LITERALLY DEMOLISHED AMERICAS WAYS AND TRUTH FROM OUR CHILDREN FOR TWO -THREE GENERATIONS???????? NOT TELLING STUDENT THE TRUTH BUT INSTEAD GIVEING LIES????
    IF you dig deep enough you will find the proof that SCHOOLS WERE NOT PUBLIC SCHOOLS UNLESS THEY TAUGHT THE GODLY PRINCIPLES OF MORALITY AND RIGHTEOUSNESS, LONG WITH KNOWLEDGE OF READING WRITING AND ARITHMATIC… THIS ALSO INCLUDED DISCIPLINE IN A LOVING AND KNOWING MANNER THAT THERE IS A RIGHT WAY TO LIVE AND TREAT OTHERS and a WRONG WAY BASE FOR THIS????????
    THE TEN COMMANDMENTS THAT WERE THERE RIGHT FROM THE START!!!!!!!!! IN SCHOOLS AND THEY CAME FROM SCRIPTURES OF GOD'S BOOK!!!!!!! AND TRUTHS..
    http://www.christianparents.com/lrconst.htm

  7. Anonymous says:

    Hi Sue, I think the answer is Jesus. He's the only one who can give lasting peace. I know that the world won't turn to Him and the blood shed goes on. That’s upsetting, all the people that have to do and for what? It just doesn't make sense.

  8. Anonymous says:

    When it comes to the jEWISH people and the STATE and CITY of JERUSAALEM. NOT to worry But all should do what it the word says to do PRAAY for the PEACE of Jerusalem. GOD IS GOD and HE will always be GOD and His People will always be His People.
    There is nothing or none that can change this truth.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Suzanne, I know that I'm being a little unrealistic, but I don't see why people have to fight. Why can't we all live and let live?

  10. Anonymous says:

    HI; Have not been here for awhile Marty.. This is the one place I have found that YOU HAVE and do allow all to voice their opinions about anything. I AM TRULY THANKFUL of this. FOR it is not the case in most places. UNLESS ONE wants to have their own blog site or whatever. and so I have that too I just am not very good about posting in my own blog
    OK for this post now.
    ISRAEL? is ISAREL the BIBLE TELLS US who ISRAEL IS> and why SHE EXISTS and why SHE AS A PEOPLE AND STATE ARE CONTINUELY HAVING WAR with someone .. NAMELY THEIR ENEMY!!! and who PRAY TELL ME WHO IS ISRAELS ENEMY if not THEIR OWN BROTHERS AND SISTERS?? all this is and can be known and believed if any care to know the HISTORY OF THE WORLD ???? or does the world not exist for any of us??
    I guess what I am getting at here is the SCRIPTURE TRUTH OR should we just THROUGH OUT THE BOOK?????? and IGNORE WHAT HAS been written within that BOOK FOR ALL GENERATIONSBEFORE US NOW AND THOSE THAT WILL COME AFTER YOU AD I ARE GONE???
    OF COURSE IF WE AS ISRAEL, ENGLAND, AND AMERICA ALLOW THE BOMBS TO IGNITE AND BE DROPPED AGAIN AS IN JAPAN??? IT SHALL BE MUCH WORSE THEN ANYONE CAN EVER IMAGINE AND WE WILL DEFINITLY HAVE NO MIDDLE EAST TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT AT ALL> BECAUSE IRAN WILL WIPE OUT ISAREL ALONE WITH THEMSELVES> AND THEN THE FALL OUT WILL WIPE OUT MANY BEFORE THE WORLD EARH CAN RECOVER FROM ALMOST BACK TO THE 1st CENTURY AGAIN… IS THIS WHAT IRAN AND THE ENEMIES OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE REALLY WANT??? YES ANYTHING AT ALL TO GET RID OF ISRAEL THAT HATED BROTHER HUH???
    NEVER LEARN???????????? NOPE NOT SINCE CAIN MURDERED ABEL. THE JEALOUSY AND ENVY OF THE OLDER KEEPER OF THE FIELD, OF THE YOUNGER THE ONE SHEPHERDING THE SHEEP.
    THE BLOOD OF ABEL THE LORD SAID CRIED OUT. FROM THE DUST OF THE EARTH. YET ADAM KNEW HIS WIFE AGAIN AND SETH WAS BORN. CAIN BEING CAST OUT. WITH A MARK UPON HIM ……
    DOWN THRU THE HISTORY AFTER SETH IT FOLLOWED THEN to ABRAHAM that the OLDER ISHMAEL WAS NOT OVER THE YOUNGER ISAAC SONS OF ABRAHAM. THAT CAME FROM SHEM THE SON OF NOAH. SHEM IS within the MIDDLE EAST. JAPETH IS THE EUROPEAN NATIONS, and HAM ARE THE PEOPLE OF EGYPT AND AFRICA. AND HAM WAS THE SON THAT UNCOVERED NOAH HIS FATHERS NAKEDNESS. BUT IT WAS CANAAN THAT WAS CURSED BECAUSE OF HIS FATHERS SIN. AND IT WAS ALL THE LAND OF CANAAN THAT ISRAEL WAS PROMISED TO POSSESS. GET A COPY OF THE MAP OF LAND OF BIBLICAL CANAAN and see what ISRAEL IS TO INHERIT… DO not forget that ISRAEL IS AND ARE THE PEOPLE MOSES AND AARON WERE SENT INTO EGYPT TO SAVE AND BRING OUT OF CAPTIVITY and HAGAR THE SERVANT TO SARAH WAS ISHMAELS MOTHER IT WAS SARAH THAT BIRTHED ISAAC .. THE PROMISED SON OF ABRAHAM THE LORD PROMISED HIM . A SON IT WAS THIS SON ISAAC THAT THEN AGAIN BEING THE YOUNGER SON. WAS BLESSED WITH TWO SONS TWINS JACOB AND ESAU. ESAU BEING THE OLDEST. AND IT IS THE YOUNGER GOD THE LORD GAVE THE PROMISE BLESSING TO FOLLOWING THE YOUNGER BEING OVER THE OLDER. SAME WITH ISRAELS=JACOBS GRANDSONS. JOSEPH'S SON OF JACOB (ISRAEL) MANASSAH, AND EPHRAIM, THE OLDER BEING UNDER THE YOUNGER.
    REMEMBER DAVID ALSO WAS THE YOUNGEST OF THE SONS JESSE ISAMUEL 16;
    ESAU IS the THIRD we must consider here. FROM the THREE WE HAVE .
    ISAAC,THE ONES OF OUR LORD THAT HE SENT MOSES TO SET FREE, BORN OF THE WIFE OF ABRAHAM, SARAH,
    ISHMAEL, THE OLDER SON OF ABRAHAM BORN of the SERVANT OF SARAH, THE EGYPTIAN, YET ABRAHAM WAS HEBREW, AND ESAU. THE TWIN BROTHER TO JACOB SONS OF ISAAC. AGAIN ONE OF THE FIELD HUNTER ESAU AND THE OTHER TENDER OF THE SHEEP JACOB. ESAU SOLD HIS BIRTHRIGHT YET IT WAS THE LORD GOD THAT SAID JACOB WOULD BE RULER OVER HIS BROTHER ESAU.
    AGAIN YOUNGER BEING RULER OVER THE OLDER.
    Then this followed thru to MANASSAH and EPHRAIM. Genesis 48; 17:-22: In 49; You can read the Blessings upon all ISRAEL'S SONS!!! and IT is ISRAAEL THAT ALL IN THE MIDDLE EAST ARE WARRING AGAINST this day BUT IS AMERICA, ALSO WARRING AGAINST ISRAEL?? is ENGLAND???? DO NOT FORGET THIS ALSO THAT AMERICA. ARE IMIGRANTS FROM THE EUROPEAN NATIONS, MAINLY ENGLAND. IT is THESE THAT THEN did what HAD THE AFRICAN AS SLAVES?? YET who was ON THIS LAND before THE PILGRIMS FROM ENGLAND CAME??? INDIANS!!! CALLED AMERICAN INDIANS. WE HAVE EGYPTIANS, HEBREWS, AND GREEKS. IF IT WERE NOT FOR THE ISRAELITES DENIAL OF THEIR MESSIAH WE CALL JESUS THE RISEN CHRIST NONE WOULD BE SAVED THAT MEANS NO MORE JEW AND NO MORE GREEK.
    YET WE NEVER HAVE LEARNED the LESSONS OF THE LORD THY GOD HAVE WE TO THIS DAY???????????
    THE BLOOD STILL CRIES OUT FROM THE DUST OF THE GROUND DAILY.
    MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!
    LAND OF THE FREE, HOME OF THE BRAVE, and YES PROUD I AM TO SAY ONE NATION UNDER GOD!!!!!!! MAY HER PEOPLE FOREVER STAND FOR THIS TRUTH AND THIS FLAG AND THIS LAND FOR IT USED TO BE THE MELTING POT OF THE WORLD!!!!!!! MAY GOD NOT FORSAKE A NATION THAT MURDERS IT'S CHILDREN WITHIN THE WOMB BY THE BILLIONS YET WILL COMPLAIN ABOUT OUR QUEST TO SET ALL MEN FREE INCLUDING THE IRAQIES!!!!!!!!!!! AND ANY OTHER PEOPLES IN THE MIDDLE EAST THAT WANTS TO BE FREE FROM TYRANICAL DICTATORSHIPS BY ONE MAN RULER. THAT SLAUGHTERS HIS OWN PEOPLE … ALL BECAUSE OF HATRED OF THE JEWISH PEOPLE.. CALLED THE STATE OF ISRAEL!!!
    THEIR CAPITAL IS THE CITY OF JERUSALEM
    YET I believe THAT is where it all BEGAN.. RIGHT???
    WHEN JESUS READ OF HIMSELF IN THE TEMPLE FROM THE BOOK OF ISAIAH…

  11. Anonymous says:

       I am glad to hear that as this was one of the goals of this blog to act in a Christian manner no matter how much we might disagree with someone. I am please that there have been very few posts that have had to be removed (which were posted by someone new who did not know the rules.) I would add to your post that Israel and the world need our prayers. I have heard it said more than once that those in the Muslim faith were very hard to rich for Jesus but I think that the same could be said of those in the Jewish faith. It would really be nice to see a worldwide revival where everyone would come to know Christ and live as Spirit filled Christians with love in their hearts for all.

  12. Anonymous says:

    By the end of the 4th century, following Emperor Constantine's adoption of Christianity (313) and the founding of the Byzantine Empire, the Land of Israel had become a predominantly Christian country. Churches were built on Christian holy sites in Jerusalem, Bethlehem and Galilee, and monasteries were established in many parts of the country.
    —-
    Cash Advance

  13. Anonymous says:

    HOLD YOUR BREATH ONE MORE TIME!!!! and JUST MAYBE for a SEASON IN TIME. PEACE CAN BE HAD AGAIN. and the WAR in the MIDDLE EAST will at least come to a conclusion again for a time. YET please can you tell me when the STate of Israel has ever had PEACE IN THAT land since she has been called the STATE OF ISRAEL??? HAVING been GIVEN THAT LITTLE AREA. in 1948?
    AS for the rest of your post MARTY WE ALL SHOULD PRAY FOR THIS AND I BELIEVE many have been . and even some have SUNG the SONG “REVIVE US AGAIN OH LORD.”
    I have heard it said many a time. If there is a will there is a way. YET PEACE comes for awhile but WAR RAGES somewhere.
    I AGREE IT would really be nice IF everybody would be so filled with GODS LOVE AND HIS SPIRIT THAT WAR and FIGHTING WICKEDNESS and EVIL WAS never known again IN ANY.
    ARE you still holding your breath? OR should I say MORE ABOUT the HEARTS OF MANKIND? OH AND I would not want to leave woman out.. HEAVEN FORBID THAT WE would be ANY DIFFERENT IN OUR SINS THAT WE ALL HAVE HAD. THAT WE HAVE need OF FORGIVENESS OF OUR LORD IN THE beginning of TIME.
    I believe TIME is in HIS hands.. always has been. always will be .
    HIS TIME APPARENTLY IS NOT ours… JUST AS HE HAS HAD IT WRITTEN..
    IT has been written that GOD puts all Our Tears in a Bottle… I wonder if there is a bottle for all the pieces of our hearts that get shattered while here.. We will find out someday.
    By then the hearts will have been mended and melted into clay again.. By the same one that gave it Life to begin with.
    You still holding your breath.. YOU can breath again now..
    NO real disruption or disagreement in this forum… EASY to AGREE TO DISAGREE about some things .. ya think? NOT so everywhere even in here on the internet.
    Marty you have the best place I have found yet for FREE TO SPEAK..
    THANK YOU. BYE HAVE A NICE DAY.

  14. Anonymous says:

    The RELIGION OF CHRISTIANS HAS been SINCE ANTIOCH THEY were CALLED CHRISTIANS. I SEE CHRIST IN THE NAME WE ARE GIVEN TO BE CALLED. BECAUSE OF OUR believing IN THIS ONE CALLED CHRIST JESUS .. THIS is what the GOSPEL is all about.. WOULD ALL AMERICANS LIKE TO TRADE OUR HOLY BIBLE GOSPEL FOR the ISLAMIC MUSLIM TEACHING OF MOHAMANND SO we can TEACH OUR children HTRED OF THE JEWS ALSO and DEMAND THEY BE DESPOSED OFF the face of this earth by DROWNING THEM ALL IN the MEDDITRANIAN SEA??? NOT ALL muslims agree YET TO MANY ARE fearful of their own relatives that still agree with this hatred and teaching.
    APPARENTLY not enough of the ISLAMIC WAYS and how they have taught their children for a very long time is made yet known enough as to THE hatred between NON=- JEWS in the Middle east. I AM AN AMERICAN AND proud to be one.. being of diverse HERITAGE. of English and Pensyvania Dutch that also is of German heritage. IMIGRANTS MY people were . I believe all that live in this LAND CALLED AMERICA CAN SAY THEY ARE IMIGRATED FROM ACROSS the SEAS AND OCEANS.
    OR HAVE ALL FORGOTTEN THAT IT ALL began IN BETHELEHEM, GALLALIE< and NAZARETH, AND YES JERUSALEM... OR do these peoples and lands neither exist for any of us???????? be it the JEW, THE GREEK, THE PALESTINIAN, the ROMANS, the WHAT ABRAHAMS , ISAACs AND JACOBS, LETS NOT FORGET THE ESAUS and THE ISHMAELS. HISTORY When FORGOTTEN OR NEVER REALIZED AND KNOWN TENDS to have DIRE CONSEQUENCES for it repeats itself OVER and OVER and OVER again. IS this why I cannot shut up??? Probably... THAT is the REALLY BAD stuff I guess I would have to say about KNOWING who we are in CHRIST JESUS ... TO MUCH KNOWING CAN be bad for ones health life and heart .... YET I know GOD was is and will forever be. and that is the bottom line for me and many whom have believed and DO CONFESS that IT is THIS GOSPEL we stand on BY FAITH. who would like to SUE AMERICA AS A whole COUNTRY?????? and people?? DON"T BOTHER we CAN DO This sueing each other :):):):) BECAUSE WE HAVE RELATIVES THAT DIE because they SMOKE OR DRING TO ACCESS. and die OF LUNG DESEASES, and LIVER DESEASES. SUE the COMPANIES THAT MAKE the KILLING ALCOG HOLIC DRINKS THAT A ONCE in a while MODERATE very MODERATE use never KILLS anyone. YET the TOBACCO . well that could be debated forever considering all the other stuff we know can cause death. OTHER then SMOKING CIGS, CIGARS, AND PIPES. I used to smoke don't anymore. Now I overeat and eat the wrong food. no I do not drink not even wine that is supposed to be good for us a bit... Don't like it so I do not drink it. GONE BYE.

  15. Anonymous says:

    I know that there are some people who believe that the book of Revelation was fulfilled at that time. I'll confess that I'm not sure but it does make me wonder about all the end-times teachings.

  16. Anonymous says:

    Do you believe God Created the earth and the Heavens just to destroy it all?
    Of Course WE HAVE SINNED IF this were not a TRUTH neither would GOD HAVE HAD TO GIVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN TO SAVE YOU OR ME OR YOUR ANCESTERS OR YOUR DESCENDANTS. WOULD YOU DENY THAT YOUR GREAT GREAT GREAT GRANDPARENTS HAVE NOT GIVEN THE PROMISES GOD HAS HAD WRITTEN FOR US?? ARE YOU WANTING TO DENY THAT GOD HAS NOT GIVEN HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THAT WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH IN HIM SHOULD NOT PERISH BUT HAVE LIFE AND HAVE IT ABUNDENTLY???
    DO YOU DENY the BOOK OF BOOKS OLDTESTAMENT , NEW TESTAMENT, IF SO then WE HAVE NO REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST TO even RECOGNIZE OR KNOW SAVED THE WORLD AND YOU FROM YOUR SIN THEIR SIN AND YOUR CHILDRENS SIN. ARE YOU REALLY WILLING TO GIVE YOUR CHILDRENS AND GRANDCHILDRENS SALVATION FROM THEM BY YOUR UNBELIEF???
    ARE YOU ASHAMED OF the ONE THAT IS CALLED JESUS CHRIST AND HIS CROSS?? ARE YOU ASHAMED OF HIS GIFT OF THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT??

  17. Anonymous says:

    As I understand it the book of Revelation was written in code for that time and not for the far future.

  18. Anonymous says:

    You do not believe that YOUR SALVATION is already yours.
    Not UNDERSTANDING THE CROSS, GOSPEL, NOR the ONCE FOR ALL SHED BLOOD of THE ONE LORD AND SAVIOR OF YOUR soul?
    CAN YOU tell me WHY YOU HAVE the LIFE YOU ARE living THIS DAY???? AND WHO and HOW did YOUR MOTHER AND DAD ever HAVE the LIFE they LIVED OR ARE LIVING.
    WHAT ABOUT all those ANCESTERS. YOU HAVE in YOUR LINE OF YOUR GENERATIONAL HISTORY???????? OR do you deny the GENERATIONAL HISTORY THAT HAS ALREADY been written and given to MANKIND????
    AND please DO NOT come to me and say well what about the TORA, THE BOOK OF THE JEWISH HEBREW BOOK. OF MOSES. and the QUOAN OF the ISLAMIC EGYPTIAN ARABIAN.
    MOHAMMAND BOOK .
    AMERICA DOES HAVE the HOLY BIBLE. AND IT TOO IS THE ONE BOOK THAT HAS Old TESTAMENT, THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN IN THE FIRST FIVE BOOKS BY A MAN NAMED MOSES.
    GENESIS-DETERONOMY INCLUDING the BOOK OF EXODUS. THAT tells of the MAN MOSES THAT along with HIS BROTHER AARON, WAS SENT INTO the EGYPTIAN PHAROAHS, DOMAIN TO SET the CAPTIVITY OF GOD. HIS PEOPLE THE ISARELITE HEBREW JEWISH PEOPLE FREE FROM whom? the EGYPTIAN PHAROAH. YET IT IS THAT S AME MOSES THAT WAS HIDDEN UNTIL HE COULD BE SET IN the BULLRUSHES TO BE FOUND BY the EGYPTIAN DAUGHTER OF THE PHAROAH and was RAISED IN THAT SAME EGYPTIAN WORLDAS A SON OF THE PHAROAH. NOW HE WAS BEING SENT BACK TO BRING the PEOPLE OF GOD OUT OF their CAPTIVITY. ALONG WITH HIS BROTHER AND HIS wife MIRIAM. MY POINT being this..
    THE HEBREW JEWISH People. CALLED ISRAEL ITES!!!!!!!!!! THE EGYPTIAN ARAB PEOPLE!!!!!!!! and LET US NOT FORGET THE ISLAMIC PEOPLE NOR THE ROMAN EMPIRE PEOPLE THAT WERE ALSO EVIDENT IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. ALONG WITH JOHN, MATTHEW MARK LUKE, and DO NOT FORGET ABOUT PAUL THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NAMED SAUL IN THE OLD TESTAMENT.
    NOW WHERE DID THE NAME OF JESUS THE RISEN CHRIST WE HAVE OUR BELIEF IN OUR FAITH IN AS BEING OUR SALVATION OUR LORD KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS AND OH YES IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND IN THE NEW HE STILL IS CALLED EMMANUEL BY ANY AND ALL THAT DO UNDERSTAND!!!! THE BOOK OF REVELATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND WHO WE ALL ARE IN CHRIST JESUS.
    WOULD YOU THEN CALL US CHILDREN OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD> FATHER , CHRIST SON OF GOD< AND HAVING BEEN BAPTISED WITH THE promised BAPTISM OF the HOLY SPIRIT????????????????? OH do YOU deny this TRUTH ALSO?????? NOT believing the WRITTEN INSPIRED word of GOD THAT WE AS MANKIND HAVE TO LIVE BY HIS TRUTH > and is it then IT is NOT BY OUR WORKS WE ARE SAVED BUT BY THE GRACE AND MERCY AND ALMIGHTY LOVE OF GOD OUR CREATOR THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS IN IT'S CONSTITUTION and IT'S BILL OF RIGHTS. THAT MEAN WHAT TO ANYONE THAT KNOWS THE HISTORY OF AND THE REASON FOR AND WHAT THE LAND COUNTRY OF AMERICA STANDS FOR AND ON!! BACK TO ISLAMICS MUSLIM BELIEF AND RELIGIOUS DOCTRINS> who HATES THE JEWISH ISRAEL STATE THIS DAY ???????? AND ALSO HATES THE INFIDELS OF THE WORLD> CALLED AMERICA AND THE STATE OF ISRALIE PEOPLE CALLED JEWISH OF THE SYNOGOGUE…. MAYBE PEOPLE JUST MIGHT REMEMBER THAT IN THE BOOK THE LORD HAS HAD WRITTEN ALREADY HAS CALLED THESE PEOPLE HIS PEOPLE AND HE ALSO NAMED ISAAC,S SON JACOB A TWIN BROTHER OF ESAU THAT WAS THE OLDER SON! YET IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN AND GOD DID SAY HE JACOB WRESTLED WITH GOD AND PREVAILED. GIVING HIM THE NAME OF ISRAEL!!!!!!!! WHAT ABOUT ESAU!!! ESAU IN THE END >>>>> WAS JEALOUS ENVIOUS AND HATED HIS BROTHER>> AND TO THIS DAY WE STILL SEE THE EVIDENCE OF THIS SIN> AND WHY????????? BECAUSE GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO ADAM< EVE< AND CAIN< AND ABEL!!!!!!!! BUT LET US NOT LEAVE OUT THE THIRD SON CALLED SETH!!!!!!!!!!! AND TO SETH there was also BORN A SON, and HE CALLED his son ENOS ... and then BEGAN MEN to call ON THE NAME OF THE LORD. JESUS CHRIST, EMMANUEL, WHAT WAS GOD'S NAME.. HE HAS GIVEN MANKIND FOR ALL GENERATIONS???????????? YOU will FIND THIS NAME. IN GENESIS, EXODUS, DETERONOMY, JOSHUA, ISAIAH, MALACHI, AND IN JOHN, LUKE, MATTHEW, ROMANS, EPHESIANS, AND IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION......... IF YOU LOOK YOU MIGHT JUST FIND your NAME somewhere.. IN YOUR HERITAGE GENERATIONAL ANCESTERY. READ THE SEVEN CHURCH LETTERS. FIND YOURSELF..... OH AND CAIN WAS MARKED.. BY GOD.. SO WAS ESAU,,, SO WAS JACOB,,, IN essence all have been marked by SIN> BUT FOR THE BLOOD OF JESUS!!!!!!!!!!! ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, AND ONE BAPTISM!!! EPHESIAN 4;5:,6:,7:

  19. Anonymous says:

    Israel also took a lot of land in Palestine, illegally.
    They are not innocent in this matter, plus they have had a lot of money given them by the US. They have flourished while their Palestinian neighbors have suffered great atrocities.
    There are many reasons why they are hated.

  20. Anonymous says:

    Israel, there is still hope Yes there is always hope for ISRAEL. THIS ONE shall never BE DEFEATED FOR GOD HAS ORDAINED ISRAEL AND THE LAND to be THEIRS meaning the Jewish HEBREW JEWS. I have much more I ca say and will I will be back . MARTY YOU SHOULD ALREADY KNOW THIS IS NOT ABOUT LEBANEESE AND JEWS. THIS IS BETWEEN ISRAELIE HEBREW JEWS AND HAGARS EGYPTIAN ARAB SONS>>> AND WERE THE ISRAELITES THE JEWISH HEBREWS THAT HAVE BEEN PROMISED AND DID RECIEVE IN THE CROSSING OVER THE JORDEN RECIEVED BACK THEIR LAND THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN PROMISED TO THEM> NOW AS FOR THE ARABS MANY ABABS LIVE IN JERUSALEM IN THAT VERY LAND CALLED STATE OF S ISRAEL! BROTHERS LIVING TOGETHER BUT IT IS AL THOSE THAT SAY KILL THE INFIDEL THE JEW THE ARAB AND THE AMERICANS THAT STAND BESIDE AND WITH GODS ORDAINED RIGHT GIVEN THESE HIS OWN WHOM GOD SENT SOMEONE TO SET THEM FREE FROM THEIR BONDS OF SLAVERY BY THE EGYPTIAN PHAROAH!! OR DID YOU MARTY MISS ALL OF THIS IN THE HOLY WRITTEN WORD OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR??????????? THE ENEMY IS NOT AMERICA NOR THE WESTERN WORLD> NOR IS THE ENEMY NONE OTHER THEN THE OUCAST THE ONES AGAINST ISRAEL AND AMERICA AND ALL MANKIND TO BE FREE TOWORSHIP FREE TO SPEAK UP AGAINST IDOLTRY OF WOODEN METAL STAUE GODS THAT HAVE NO WORD WITHIN THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS TO EVEN SPEAK BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOT THE SPIRT OF THE FATHER GOD IN THEM TO BEGIN WITH> HAMAS< HEZBOLAH < ALQUEDAH< PLO THESE ALL ARE JEALOUS FULL OF HATRED ENVY AND COVETNESS IS RIGHT THE WANT LAND THAT LONG AGAO WAS ALEREADY PROMISED GIVEN AND S STILL BEING TAKEN FROM THEM> THESE ARE CALLED RENEGADE EVIL WCKED JEALOUS ENVIOUS GREEDY WANTING IT ALL BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE ISHAMEL WAS THE PROMISED SEED!!! NO ISHAMEL WAS GIVEN LAND!! BUT ISAAC TO JACOB TO JOSEPH EPHRAIM AND MANNASA>ISRAEL THE LAND CALLED ISRAEL THE PEOPLE CALLED ISRAELITES!!!!!! WERE ARE AND ALWAYS WILL BE LIGHTS THAT SHINE IN THE DARKNESS OF THOSE DARK PLACES WHY??? BECAUSE CHRIST JESUS CAME TO HIS OWN AND HIS OWN DENIED HIM WTHOUT THE JEWS WE HAVE NO ISRAEL AND WITHUT THE ISRAEL HEBREW JEWS WE AS CHRISTIANS AND THE GENTILES HAVE NO SALVATION!!!!! PERIOD IT IS ALL IN THE BOOK SOME NEED TO GET SOME REAL TRUTH AND HISTORY THAT NONE SEEM TO KNOW< BECAUSE OF LACK OF NOT ONLY KNOWLEDGE BUT WISDOM and this COMES with FEAR OF THE LORD THAT HAS GIVEN US ALL LIFE. ISLAM NOR ISRAEL NOR THE AMERICANS OWN JERUSALEM !!!!!!!!! THAT IS THE CAPITAL CITY ON A HILL IN ISRAEL> CAN ANY DENY THAT ISRAEL IS FOR THE JEWISH OF GODS, People AMERICANS Whom are OF ALL Peoples AND ARAB EGYPTIANS whom also are not in agreement about JESUS CHRIST OR GOD OR THE JEWISH OR CHRISTIANS ISLAMIC IDEOLOGY IS NOT FOR PEACE THE TEACHING IS HATRED> BUT MANY MUSLIMS ARE JUST COMING TO UNDERSTAND THIS HATRED OF THE TEACHING AND MANY DIE BECAUSE THEY ADMIT TO STANDING WITH THE JEWISH ISRAELITES AND CHRISTIAN AMERICANS>

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